Verbatim, pre-clean dictation kept only as an audit trail for ETH 82: Reflecting on Four Years of Eden Fractal — open only if the cleaned transcript looks wrong.
Dan opens Eden Fractal's four-year anniversary town hall with Tadas, setting a relaxed, celebratory tone. 0:09 Hello and welcome to Eden Fractal, our 4-year anniversary event. I'm joined 0:14 here by Tadas. Tadas, we've been talking about AI and uh and and and your new 0:20 monitor to the side, which you're reading right now. Um, I'm um I'm 0:26 curious to hear how you've been over the past couple weeks and I'm excited to celebrate our four year anniversary. It 0:32 might be a bit of a low-key celebration here. Um, if you like, I can pull up uh some some slides. Maybe it' be helpful 0:38 to introduce us and share any topics in the agenda. Does ask is there anything you like to share first? 0:45 No, I haven't talked about what we could talk about today. Dan recaps the June 2022 launch and recent Eden Creators videos on Zao Fractal's 100th event, Eric's work, and the latest Firmament releases. 0:54 Okay, sounds good. Well, I'll pull up the uh introductory presentation and 0:59 maybe that'll give you some inspiration. I also have some ideas, too. And perhaps we could just continue talking about what we were talking about before with 1:05 the whole AI setup. Um, and also Eden Fractal's 4-year anniversary. So, on 1:12 June 8th of 2022, we launched Eden Fractal and had the first respect game. 1:17 And now it's June 18th. So, it's actually 10 days after the anniversary, but um being that we're doing events 1:23 every two weeks, it seemed like the best opportunity to celebrate it here. So, you can see these tweets from Eden 1:28 creators to learn a bit more. Of course, today we'll be having this town hall here, which is I think in town hall 73 1:33 or something like that. And we have Eden Fractal Respect game 142 here. Uh and 1:39 so, yeah, basically we're going to have kind of a laid-back conversation here for the anniversary. Maybe if Josh you want to play some sort of interesting 1:46 game or do some sort of interesting celebration we can or we can have any kind of topic that we'd like to discuss. 1:52 Um I mentioned about Fractal DJ but I don't know if it makes sense to play Fractal DJ this time. So maybe we'll wait for next year to do that. Uh and 2:00 yeah, we have some beautiful imagery here which is really nice. Uh I think you've heard about Edenfract.com 2:06 and you're you're familiar with this community Edenfr as well as Eden Town Hall. Uh so uh the Eden creators team 2:11 just published two most recent videos from Eden Fractal and Eden Town Hall. We covered the growth of Zouractal which 2:17 recently celebrated its hundth event. Um and is almost three years old now. So 2:23 that video was really interesting to hear from Zala about the ZFract. We also had some great discussions with Eric as well about all the things he's doing in 2:29 Tadas. So I recommend people check out those videos on the YouTube channel. Uh and of course there's on edenfront.com 2:36 and edentownall.com too where you can learn more. We also published some great videos about Ferment over the past few 2:41 weeks as well. And yeah, our next event, I think it'll be our fifth event since returning from spring break will be on I 2:47 guess it's like July 2nd or something. But for today's agenda, um yeah, basically there's this Dan shares gratitude for four years of support and reaffirms the mission of helping all communities make better decisions. 2:54 message from Eden Creators that kind of breaks it down here. Um just want to express gratitude for everybody's support over the past four years, 3:00 especially if you do. Thanks so much for all of your uh support and help and contributions. um as well as thanks to 3:07 everybody who's contributed to eat over the years. So I'm really excited for our fifth year in working towards our 3:14 mission and helping all communities and organizations make better decisions. So 3:19 we have some time for open discussion here to do and any kind of special celebration you'd like and then we can play a respect game in about 45 minutes 3:26 as well. So with that, do that inspire any topics um that you might want to discuss about 3:33 I don't know maybe if you want to comment on the on the anniversary in general and how you're feeling or what you've been up to lately with the AI 3:39 tools or if you want we could talk about one of our favorite topics lately firmament um and yeah there's there's 3:47 all sorts of stuff we could discuss. So um is there anything particular you like to discuss now? 3:54 H no like I said I haven't thought about what you could discuss any ideas. 4:02 Uh well I mean I think first it makes sense to just if you do have any 4:07 reflections on Eden Fractal at all and the four year anniversary where we're at. If there's anything you like to see differently um any improvements or any 4:14 sort of just general reflections on what we're doing well what's going well what we should focus on I think now would be 4:21 a good time for that. Uh but otherwise I mean I kind of did a little bit just want to express gratitude for everybody 4:26 and I'm I'm really excited about what we're doing with Eden Fractal and um so if you want to just move on to some 4:32 other topic outside the anniversary then past few weeks we've had great discussions about setting up AI systems 4:39 which is related to fractals but not like specifically related to Eden fractal but could certainly help 4:44 fractals and can certainly help us achieve our mission and vision. Uh and then also Ferman. I made a lot of 4:51 progress on firmament this week too. Uh I thought about a lot so I'm happy to discuss that or also you know there's 4:56 all these other things we're working on too like the Eden postfractal consensus process and everything like that. So 5:02 yeah I suppose keeping it general first if you have any ideas about that would be best about Eden fractal and now that 5:07 we're at our four year anniversary if you have any thoughts or want to share any sort of reflections or speech or 5:12 anything like that that'd be great. Um and then outside of that just I suppose whatever you think are the highest priorities to discuss and most 5:18 interesting things to you. Yeah. Uh Tadas reflects on how quickly four years have passed and senses a new cycle as the community circles back to each part of a fractal one at a time. 5:24 it's amazing that it's amazing to think that four years have passed for me it 5:29 seems less like I can't believe that uh how does it 5:36 seem to you? Is it is it did it pass faster or or or 5:45 Yeah, it's fascinating. It's gone. I mean, with all kinds of things like that, sometimes it seems like it goes like it lasts a long time, but then it 5:52 goes by very quickly, too. There's that thing about time, how it how it feels. I was thinking over the past couple weeks 5:58 how like it's the length of like high school or college, which is interesting, like four years, and I have a lot of 6:04 memories from back in those days, and this is kind of like its own thing that's now longer than those periods of time. and a lot's happened and we made a 6:11 lot of progress. So 6:17 yeah, I don't know how long it seemed, but 6:22 well, for me, some some things some parts of life seem like 6:28 uh like it like it goes slower like 6:36 and some parts like like this one. It seems like I see it seems like only few years have 6:43 passed. I don't know but anyway uh so but we have videos to prove it and 6:49 onchain onchain transactions for me there is something about this 6:55 4year uh period where it seems like we are 7:03 starting a new cycle or something. I have been feeling this type 7:12 since at least the new year or maybe even earlier like like it's like 7:21 we finished. No, I started feeling it once we start once we came back once we 7:26 launched two of Eden crap that it's a new start of a new cycle and I see 7:33 because I see many patterns repeating u 7:40 like we initially we were very focused on hidden fractal meetings and 7:45 governance with synchronous respectives and so on. Now, now we're going a bit 7:51 slower. Uh, but it's typical in the summer, I think. And 7:58 I I I like this kind of rhythm. Uh, 8:04 yeah. So, experimenting with new with new governance processes with like synchronous practice. That's like when 8:13 we when we first launched Eden launched Eden Fractal I mean you launched pretty 8:19 soon we started experimenting with Eden plus pract 8:24 fractal process and agendas and so on and we had a period of 8:30 that we also started focusing on fractalgram looking for fractal gram which also happened like pretty soon so 8:39 I'm I'm I'm seeing how we we are coming back to some of the areas which we 8:46 already looked at and uh 8:51 I don't know it seems that kind we have this kind of development pattern where 8:57 uh we so fractal has all of these components like uh like legislative 9:05 process what they call legislative process executive process 9:10 Fracttogram, other apps, and it seems like we're 9:15 going in circle like focusing a bit on all of these uh one at a time. 9:24 Of of course we have to do it this way because of limited res resources but 9:31 also it might be superior way of doing things because we 9:38 are all looking at the same area and we can then 9:44 improve it better. So I don't know just some thoughts about 9:51 where we are at uh and it's this leads to prediction 9:57 about predictions about what comes next or what 10:03 I don't know what you want to get into that right now. I don't know what I want to get that right now. I don't like like 10:11 making statement about future because uh yeah it's 10:18 it's it can too easily be misinterpreted as promises 10:23 uh or plans. 10:29 Yeah. Well said. Yeah. I I agree. I mean, I'm 10:37 excited for the future for sure. And I I believe that we're in a we're in a great 10:43 position to to 10:49 build on the foundations that we built over the past four years and make a lot of progress towards our mission and our 10:55 vision. Uh so I'm very excited about that. But yeah, I don't I don't think it's necessary to make predictions about 11:00 like uh how many people will be using fractal decision-m processes or whatever at this 11:06 point um or any specific predictions, but I mean feel free to share anything 11:11 that you're interested about the future and where we'll be because because I think that's interesting and um yeah, I Dan ties the present to first-year innovations now being revisited — Firmament, the consensus process, and Epoch 2 — noting the direction is finally clear. 11:18 agree. I mean we have circled back a lot to there's a lot of innovations back in that first year that that we're coming 11:23 back to now. Um, like for example, you mentioned firmament and we've talked about that a lot over the past few 11:29 months now. That's something that you came up with back in the first year of 11:34 Eden Fractal and you presented it back in like the 40th event. That was towards the end of the first year and then we kind of didn't really talk about it that 11:41 much for like two or three years but now we're coming back to it and same with a lot of the other things like we've been 11:46 using the same Eden postfactor consensus process for the past three and a half years like that or but we stopped for a 11:52 while and yeah epoch 2 we came back for epoch 2 about a year ago or was that a year ago? I think that was 2025 when we started epoch 2. Um yeah that was the 12:01 120th event in somewhere around June of 2025. So that was about a year ago that that we started at Buck 2 I believe and 12:09 just the start of fourth year. A year ago was the start of fourth year. 12:16 Yeah because I think that we celebrated the launch of the third year right around the launch of that buck 2. I 12:23 believe that's what happened. I mean we celebrated three year anniversary at the launch of 12:30 Yes. Yeah. So, it's been one year and yeah, that was a major transition moving 12:35 over to base and Ethereum and or DAO and bringing back town hall and all those 12:41 different things. And yeah, so we've made a lot of progress since then. And then yeah, um 12:49 I'm enjoying the cycle as well because I think that we're getting a lot of work done that that we had started four years ago or that's really become a lot more 12:55 clear over the past year or past months. So, I'm very grateful for the past four 13:02 years with Fractal and uh I couldn't have imagined how it would have turned out so far. It's completely been a 13:09 complete surprise in so many ways. Um had no idea what we were getting into exactly when we started it. Um, but 13:17 yeah, I'm really excited for the next steps. And I'm really I'm really glad too that a lot of those things that like 13:23 I think now the direction is very clear because there's so many things that we opened up 13:28 over the past few years, especially in the first year that we 13:34 just needed time to work on basically. Um, and now there's like new things opening in a way, but it's kind of like 13:40 coming back to build on the things that we already started building. So, it's not like we're just like coming up with something like totally new and totally 13:46 random. It's kind of like combining all these things we built over the past few years and refining them and getting them to where they need to be. So, 13:56 yeah, I'm really excited about it and grateful for the past four years of being fractal and really excited for the 14:02 next four years as well. Yeah, I I see a lot of potential as Tadas speaks candidly about slower progress and health, while Dan encourages rest and reflects on slowing down from the chaotic first-year pace. 14:07 well. Uh I don't feel like we're making like very much progress daily. 14:16 Uh but from my side there are a lot of reasons for that. Uh like health issues 14:24 and just being tired and uh so but I 14:29 think this somewhere I'm going to recover. Uh 14:36 yeah. So, but yeah, but regarding u 14:41 all of these ideas like tournament and uh 14:47 and da like if if if there where like 14:53 if I see demand for it, there is like I'm in much better position to develop 15:01 like much betterations of of these ideas. 15:07 I'm and I think yeah we are in a much better position as a whole. Um 15:16 the only thing like lacking is participation lately. I think 15:22 um 15:28 yeah, right. Well, first, um yeah, I hope that 15:38 you feel better at cover. I know you said that uh you're aiming to sleep better and stuff like that before. So, um I hope that you'll have that this 15:46 especially this schedule and and a bit more quiet time at Eden Rectal gave you more time to focus on the basics and 15:52 taking good care of yourself. Um I know that over the past year or so I I also 15:58 needed to like the schedule that we had in the first year of Eden was kind of chaotic. It was every week and then we'd 16:03 have like three-hour calls and then I'd just be like constantly working. So I had to slow down a bit from from that 16:09 schedule as well. Especially last year, I I intentionally took more time to focus on health. But um now I'm making a 16:17 lot of progress, which I'm excited about. I just uh especially with AI, it just like making progress very very 16:23 quickly. Um a lot that hasn't been ready to show yet, but a lot of new kind of breakthroughs conceptually. Um and a lot 16:31 of projects and tasks being organized and starting to tackle them and getting 16:37 through them. So there's just like a lot of things to do too. So I haven't made much progress on just like one thing in 16:42 specifically because I've been focusing on several different projects. But I'm excited about that. Um and yeah, curious 16:48 to hear more about your perspectives about maybe your workflows and 16:54 uh yeah, I see why you said to an extent why it feels like it's going slow. I'm curious how that shows up in your work 17:00 and also about the uh the 17:05 participation and and and attendance. Yeah, I mean it's it's just the two of us here at the anniversary and the first Dan and Tadas reflect on attendance and the wider ecosystem activity around Zaal's Zao Fractal and others starting fractals. 17:12 anniversary we had like I don't know 16 people or something like that and everybody was really hyped up on Eden Fractal and the second anniversary was 17:21 um actually there only four people on the second anniversary but then we did another event after that where we 17:27 invited people and then there was like 15 people or something like that and people were also um sharing great speeches about fractal governance there 17:34 and a third one I think we had like eight or nine or something like that and then there's Uh 17:40 there's been more participation at most of the events over the past few months, but I think last week there was like eight or nine people who was which was 17:47 uh one of the more popular events slightly in terms of participation. Um yes. You mean the previous event? 17:54 Yeah, two weeks ago it was split up so there wasn't eight people there the whole time but there was people who were 17:59 there for like 15 minutes. There's probably five people there for most of the time and then a couple people here 18:04 here and there like Udol showed up at the very end. I don't know if you were there for that part of it. Uh and Sebastian was here in the beginning and so forth. So um yeah, but it hasn't been 18:12 the amount of participation, the amount of people actively contributing to Eden Fractal, although people have been contributing a lot to Fractal governance 18:19 in different ways like I mean Z has been hosting ZFr. He's usually joining the events and he's got hund of those and I 18:26 know he's been building some really cool stuff. I actually read um some of the stuff he's been working on for his hour 18:31 documentation over the past two weeks and it's really cool. Um I saw Jorge start up a factor recently and um 18:41 yeah there's there's people who are working around the fractal ecosystem but just not contributing directly to Eden 18:47 Fract in the form of uh sharing their contributions to Eden Fractal and participating in the town halls like we 18:52 had in the past. That's I'm also grateful for the quiet time in a way Dan makes the case for quiet time to build documentation and systems before scaling, and Tadas notes the smaller turnout suits his need for rest. 18:57 because um I don't I mean I don't know if it's different for you I'm sure it's 19:03 similar to some extent because when there's more people more people ask you like oh how do I set up or dowo and stuff like that and and how does this 19:09 work and stuff and there just like so much to answer and so I I love you know building the community and and 19:15 meeting people and talking with people but at the same time just being able to focus having quiet time to build stuff and build you know like evergreen 19:21 documentation that so that when somebody asks a question, I can just send them a link as opposed to having to spend like, 19:27 you know, an hour or two on writing an article so I can respond to them that week. So, uh, I've been kind of intentional in not promoting Eden 19:34 Fractal as widely as I was previously so that I can focus more on just getting work done so that when we are ready to 19:40 grow it more and invite more people um then we then we can really scale that up 19:46 um and have the systems in place where people have answers and there'll also be um you know more alignment and more 19:53 reasons for um more ways for people to clearly contribute and you know have a 19:59 have a system that supports that more. So, yeah, that's exactly how I feel as well. 20:05 I I feel relieved and kind of 20:10 uh that disappointed. I don't know. But there are not a lot of people because 20:17 like I said like uh meetings with a lot of people take more 20:23 energy and then you have get more requests and then more more 20:30 uh items to work on. Even if people don't ask directly, you see more there 20:36 is just more stuff to work on, more stuff to take care of. And so with all the 20:42 like like health issues I mentioned and so on and need for rest, it's like 20:49 it's actually just it seems like just 20:54 the kind of participation I need. All right. Yeah, I'm um I'm happy to do 21:02 I mean of course you know anybody's welcome to join too. And he's watching this. It's not like we don't want he to join. 21:09 Join needs to go to sleep everybody. Um, no, 21:14 but I'm I'm happy like I'm really grateful a lot of people have been uh participating in the events week to week 21:20 and um contributing a lot. Like I know Eric as well. I think you were actually no you were you had to leave for the 21:25 respect game but Eric also shared he's doing really cool stuff as well right after you left I think uh two weeks ago. 21:31 So, um, yeah, I always love to see people here. Um, but it just like right now we 21:38 have kind of like a nice relatively small community, uh, with people who mostly know what we're doing already. 21:44 Have a couple questions here and there, but like already know about fractal governance. And so, everybody's welcome, of course. Um, but yeah, I'm also 21:52 personally grateful for uh having some more time just to work on the things I need to work on because I have a big 21:58 list of stuff to work on related to Eden Fractal. Um, and yeah, I remember like Dan draws on the Optimism Fractal experience to explain how foundational work benefits from a focused community before growing larger. 22:04 for example when we were doing optimism fractal eating direct we also for a while there's a lot of people optimism 22:09 fractal and like there were so many new people there that had all these questions and that took a lot of time to do those things and so now you know all 22:15 that stuff we talked about before about how like we started building stuff four years ago at Eden Fractal like these 22:20 things just need a lot of work and a lot of time and they need a lot of focus attention um and I think they really 22:25 benefit from you know a smaller community of people who are really committed to following through on these things um before like 22:34 uh before growing a lot. Um and I think that if we had like that same kind of consistent 15 people joining like we had 22:40 eaten fractal, who knows, maybe everybody would be into it and we'd be making progress much faster. But at the same time, that was also a lot to 22:46 coordinate and there's a lot going on then. So, um 22:52 there's all those different things that could happen, but I'm grateful for what is happening right now because I think that um it's really given an opportunity 22:58 to build the foundations and then we can see fractal democracy and fractal governance and fractal decision-m 23:04 processes grow uh at scale once we set these things up, I think. So, 23:11 yeah. Yeah, that's another thing I mentioned is that's kind of 23:19 uh pattern where we are focused externally 23:24 creating new stuff like when we launched optimism fractal and then coming back to 23:29 focus on uh I guess to create new stuff 23:36 we first have to typically have to create new stuff and there is some experimentation there 23:44 uh new ideas, new governance processes and once once we have something we then 23:52 uh focus on like pres like packaging it and presenting it and marketing it and 23:59 so on. Uh so I think we are in that stage to where 24:05 we gather ourselves. Yep. I agree. So I think uh I'm 24:13 interested to see what the fifth year anniversary will look like for Eden practically on a year from now. 24:19 Go ahead. Okay, continue. Oh, I would change it would change would be 24:24 a change of topic of it. Oh well, yeah, I'm I'm happy to change topics. I'm curious to see what you say there, but I was just I'll wrap up my 24:31 thought there. I was just saying that I'm curious to see where Eden facto will be in uh its fifth year anniversary cuz 24:38 you know it's been a year since we first embarked on Epoch 2 and it makes sense to like a lot of stuff just needed 24:43 building. We had all those elements of Epoch 2 that I kind of outlined when we first started and a lot of that's 24:49 achieved but some of it's not yet fully built yet. But I think that a lot of the stuff that we're aiming that we've been 24:54 discussing and aiming to build, I think that we'll be able to, you know, kind of release and package up um some of the 25:02 stuff we've been doing in in the coming in the coming months and have a lot of 25:07 that like in a much more ready position um and have it packaged and shared by 25:15 next year. So I'm very curious to hear what to see and imagine what the fifth year anniversary will be like. Um, so 25:21 that's something that we can maybe consider. Uh, curious if you have any thoughts about that or if you wanted to change the topic to whatever other topic 25:27 you had in mind then curious about that as well. Wanted to say I'm excited to hear what 25:34 you been working on. You seem excited about your progress. 25:41 Yeah. So forward learning about that. Um Tadas asks whether participation has really shrunk across the ecosystem and revisits Eden Fractal as a central hub or higher-order fractal. 25:50 yeah, if there is one other 25:55 question SL topic it's like not not as like joyful. 26:03 Uh so 26:10 there is a bit of lag in in your feed for me. Yeah, I'm noticing a bit in your 26:15 video too, but hopefully it's okay and hopefully it resolves itself. 26:21 Yes. So yeah, like you said, uh there is little 26:27 participation in Eden Practile, but at the same time, if you look at the whole 26:33 practical ecosystem, I'm not sure like if it uh if it if it's overall less if it's 26:42 really shrank because you have our fractal then like we said 26:49 fractal U Eric is making progress in in direction. 26:58 Uh so yeah it's in a way it's a branching out 27:05 u but you know one of the visions about hidden fractal was that it would be a 27:12 hub uh central place for all of these initiatives where people would share 27:18 updates and uh I think it might be time to raise a question that 27:25 it hasn't failed at that I think so far so far 27:30 you could say it's failing because people sometimes create fractals but 27:36 they don't uh it doesn't seem like they have motivation to come back here and keep 27:43 updating us on how we are doing. Um and that that 27:48 makes me think about different structures for Eden practical like higher order fractal and so on. 27:54 Previously you mentioned that uh with regards to higher order fractals 28:00 for hidden fractal that there is not enough fractals. Uh but for me it seems like there might 28:07 be more fractals if there is a higher order fractal cuz 28:13 uh that would be like a purpose for smaller fractals to to to 28:20 be created and to to live because they would have a place to compete as as 28:27 teams in the high order. uh 28:33 but I don't know if there would be if there if you don't need any other kinds 28:39 of incentives for for people to participate or high order back. So those 28:44 are just some thoughts 28:53 and you're muted. Thanks for sharing and thanks for letting me know. Um, I'm happy to share Dan addresses whether Eden Fractal is failing, weighing four years of sustained participation against Paul Graham's idea of growth rate as a signal of demand. 29:01 progress on what I'm working on. Uh, I could do that either during the town hall or during the respect game as well 29:07 if we don't have time to town hall. But first, I respond to the point you just brought up because I think that's worth 29:14 worth me worth considering. You know, people looking from the outside who haven't been at the events or watching 29:20 videos and if they see just the two of us here at Eden Fractal, they might raise that 29:25 question like, is Eden Fractal failing? that might be a legitimate question that they might wonder and I remember uh 29:33 Janis Mart had written an article like how the I don't know success of a fractal can be measured by like how many people join uh in a way or how active 29:42 participation is I remember Timothy shared that as well um and by that 29:47 metric I we've had sustained participation for four years so that's been successful in some degree of 29:55 providing a place to for people to learn about fractals and um 30:00 and there's been a lot of things we've built and a lot of uh connections formed in joy shared and stuff like that. So 30:06 it's been successful by some metrics certainly but overall yeah there might 30:12 be overall less participation in the whole fractive ecosystem. There might be more. I'm not sure. It's probably less overall because back in like say 2022, 30:18 even before Eden facto was starting or when it was first starting that point, the original Eden on on EOS 30:23 still had like hundreds of people joining the elections I think or maybe 100 on average or something like that. Um and Genesis Fractal had 40 people 30:30 joining a week or something like that. Um, so I'd say certainly there's less 30:36 activity in the racket ecosystem in terms of just people contributing and learning about it than there was four 30:42 four or five years ago. Um, and 30:48 there's there's lots of things to build and there's more communities who are doing it now I believe. Um, and it's 30:53 more in a sustained manner. Um but yeah there I would say there's definitely 30:58 less attention for fractals than there was in the early days um even before 31:04 Eden fractal started or when Eden fractal started. Um, this week I read a article by Paul Graham who's the founder 31:10 of Y Combinator and it's called How to Earn a Billion Dollars and there's an interesting article and one of the 31:17 things he says as a founder of Y Combinator he's invested in like over 6,000 startups and incubated startups 31:23 and um he says that the first question he asked founders is what's your growth rate? Because from that he can tell how 31:30 much demand there is for their product or their service that that they're building and selling. And the higher 31:35 growth rates typically mean that they're servicing more people, that they're helping more people, more people are benefiting from whatever they're 31:41 building. And our growth rate isn't very high. It might be negative. I don't know 31:46 depending on what metric you have, what metric you're looking at. I mean, in some ways, we have more than we had. In 31:52 some ways, we have less than than we had. In some ways, Eden fractal is smaller than it was. In some ways, the fractal ecosystem is bigger, but Eden 31:58 Fractal isn't growing alongside the Eden Fractal in terms of participation like you mentioned. um or yeah um so Dan walks through the technology hype cycle and locates fractals on the curve, with AI as a parallel for how high the plateau can climb. 32:08 but also a lot of technologies go through um what is that there's a specific curve uh when like basically 32:16 there's like um it's very common in technologies where it's like first there's uh all the on the left side of 32:23 the axis there's like you know there's nothing there and then people get like really excited about it and it goes all the way up and then and then there's 32:30 like the downward it's like people don't care that much. This also happens in prices of like assets like Bitcoin or something like that sometimes too. Um 32:37 and then it's called the trove of disillusionment or something like that and people not caring and stuff and it goes lower and lower and lower and then 32:43 it like if it's a successful technology then it comes out and it's and has another like like basically return to 32:49 being helpful and it can be you know much more attention than ever before uh maybe a couple months or or years or 32:55 decades later. So I think we're on that same kind of curve too where when fractals first were released and also 33:02 had you know the attention of the fractally team and the funding from the EOS community and stuff like that you 33:07 guys right the gardener hype cycle um if we hope I can share that uh that screen 33:13 but I I think basically that's that's where we are. I think that's like pretty common for a lot of different uh 33:21 technologies and and and and communities to go through. I'll just pull it up real quick just so I can just show what I was 33:27 showing in there. It's it's a graphical representation to represent the maturity adoption and social application of specific technologies. Um, so the 33:36 visibility goes to the peak in the technology trigger which we had in I guess 2021 2022 peak of inflated 33:42 expectations which maybe happened in 2022 around the launch of Eden fractal maybe for the following 6 months or so 33:48 before the genesis fractal stopped and then the troll of disillusionment which I don't know where I don't know when 33:55 that was exactly who's who's who might still be disillusioned who was disillusioned for however long. Um, and 34:01 then we're on this I I think we're on the slope of enlightenment, but sometimes the pl sometimes that plateau
34:06 of productivity can go way up higher than the peak of inflated expectations to like for example AI. Like back in 34:12 like 1940, people were stoked about it and they're like, "Oh, snap. This is going to take a long time. We're not going to do it." And then like the 34:17 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, and the tro disillusionment. And then like 2022 and further, it's gone like way way up, like 34:24 a million times higher than that first peak of inflate expectations probably. So I I think that these these uh that 34:32 these percentages can be that that these graphs can be different. Um and the goal the mission of eating fractal is to 34:38 implement these factor decision-making processes at society. So provided we're successful then it will go way up higher 34:44 than the peak was back in 2022. Um, but yeah, this has been a little bit of a ram. Feel free to jump in. Any point to 34:50 ask, but it's an inspiring point. And um, yeah, I suppose maybe a couple quick things I'll comment on here is that um, 34:56 I think that yeah, I think that what we're talking about like there's not that there's there's a lot that needs to be built and there's a lot of people who 35:03 had interest in Eden Fractal or Fractal Governance that we just weren't able to really provide and satisfy the interest 35:10 in a way because we didn't have it built yet. Um, and so that's one of the reasons why I'm glad that we have more 35:15 time to work on these things. Um, and then I think that the structure of Eden 35:21 Fractal is well set right now. Um, and we just need to build those things so we can provide more of a service to the Dan envisions Eden Fractal as a higher-order fractal — supporting other fractals and becoming a center of gravity for the ecosystem. 35:27 wider fractal ecosystem. I do think that Eden Fractal will operate in a sense as a higher order fractal. Although I still 35:33 think that it should have this kind of like bi-weekly or weekly kind of meeting structure. I think eventually we'll probably go to weekly meeting structure. 35:39 Maybe uh when it makes more sense. I think now bi-weekly is good, but I could imagine it go back to weekly at some 35:44 point in the future. And then having a community who can help to 35:50 vote and rank and rate uh other fractals in the fractal ecosystem and basically 35:55 provide more value like I think a lot of people see the value in fractal decision-m processes but Eden Fractal 36:02 hasn't provided that much value for them to join the events and participate in the events and earn the respect in their 36:08 eyes. Um, so as Eden Fractal uh 36:14 gets our get gets our house in order so to speak and builds the things that we need to do to provide more value for the fractal ecosystem um then I think it'll 36:21 become more and more valuable for people who are interested in fractals to join Eden Fractal um and participate and 36:27 contribute to Eden Fractal and then um I think 36:33 that that wider fractal ecosystem can have Eden Fractal as kind of a shelling joint and a center of gravity to help 36:40 propel the whole fractal ecosystem to accomplish the wider goal of Eden 36:45 Fractal of implementing these fractal decision making processes to society and making a much bigger impact as we've 36:52 envisioned. 36:57 Good points. 37:07 Thanks. Um, do you have any comments on that or 37:13 any other thoughts you want to share in town hall? Tadas reflects on the life cycle of organisms, and Dan describes Eden Fractal keeping the flame of fractal governance alive. 37:19 No, just my thoughts went somewhere. I don't know if it's relevant but uh 37:27 like I've been thinking about like how uh 37:33 the structure of typical life life lifestyle of our organisms and there is 37:39 a growth phase and there is a stability phase and 37:46 that's where actual productivity starts and then there is maintenance and toward 37:53 that. Uh yeah and somewhere along the way seeds are planted that sprout new 38:00 organisms and uh yeah I've been thinking like even 38:09 although also even though we Eden fractal itself is it has slowed down and 38:15 uh uh it has planted a lot of seeds like uh like 38:24 south fractal and other communities. How many people learned about fractals and respecting? 38:34 Yeah. So there are a lot of inspired a lot of people and there are a 38:41 lot of initiatives and who knows what will sprout from from all of these 38:47 ideas. Yep. Here here I agree. Yeah. Uh I think 38:54 Eden Fractals has already been in ways extremely successful for 39:00 from the perspective of keeping the flame. There somebody said that how like Eden Fractal has play a 39:08 key role in um keeping the flame going with with fractal 39:15 fractal governance and fractal decision-m processes. uh as 39:20 you know the original team who who shared a lot of this isn't working on it so much now although they still are 39:25 working on cybase but they're not really you know promoting or sharing it much and uh a lot of people like Zaul for 39:31 example wouldn't have heard about fractals um if it weren't for Eden Fractal and also optimism fractal and 39:40 um yeah there's uh from what I understand there's pretty consistent participation at Z fractal I think they have maybe 10 people a week on average 39:46 who are joining And so who knows what that will blossom into as well. Maybe they'll have a person or a few people 39:52 there who start their own fractalss from there. And so I think already in a way 39:57 like you know the fractal decision-making process are really important for humanity and society as 40:03 we've discussed uh and the fact that Eden fractile has enabled those that's 40:09 that sparked a continuum for people to learn about it and I I think that's one of the ways you could say that Eden 40:15 Fractal has been really successful over the past four years. um to share it and to inspire people enough to learn about it and to share it with their friends 40:21 and to implement it and to use it. And with what Eric's doing now too, Eric is working with uh he's currently working Dan highlights Eric's nonprofit onboarding and how Zaal sees Eden Fractal as an R&D fractal behind tools like the Zao Fractal app and ORDAO app. 40:27 with three nonprofits. He's developing the system to onboard more nonprofits into basically doing um practical 40:33 decision-making processes. But he's also just explaining in a much simpler way that volunteers and uh directors and 40:40 nonprofits can more easily understand and um integrate into their existing 40:45 work and mindset. Um that's like that's pretty big and and maybe that is bigger 40:51 too because I think Eric is working with like 100 people or something now. I think he had 80 people who he's working with and he's working on board. So in 40:56 ways that might be bigger than it was 2 years ago or four years ago rather when we first had the first fractals. So yeah 41:02 and that's something that I mean Eric might have done that on his own because Eric was there since the beginning as well basically and he 41:08 has been um probably think with us for a long time but I think certainly the fact that we're building what we've been 41:13 building you know he's joined a lot of Eden Fractal events. I think he's found a lot of value in it from our discussions and also he's been able to 41:19 earn respect from doing so and he's been able to take like he plans he's said many times he plans to take the tools 41:26 that we're building here at Eden Fractal and package it to bring to these nonprofits. So, if we weren't doing the 41:31 things that we're doing here, then he wouldn't have as much to offer. And and same with Zol too, like Z, he mentioned 41:36 in uh his Zho Fractal, he has a Zfract white paper he was working on. They shared with me um and he mentioned how 41:45 he sees Edenfractal as like a research and development fractal. So, it's enabled him to build these things like 41:50 for example the Zho Fractal app, the Zo.raps XYZ, the Ordo app that have 41:55 already been exported and integrated with with his community. So that's one of the those are a couple of the 42:01 examples um that that we can point to of like big successes that Eden Fractal has had. Even if we were to stop today, 42:08 which certainly not doing, um it's possible that Eric's work and Z's work 42:13 or some of the other community members who have been uh who have interacted with Eden Fractal and who have touched Eden Fractals's work and learned about 42:19 fractals or benefited in their work with fractals from Eden Fractal that they might have the spark that helps to like 42:26 kind of ignite the world in a way with fractal governance in a way where you know maybe 42:31 uh 10 or 100 people from their communities wind up really getting excited about fractals and then they grow from there and that could have a 42:38 that alone could have a huge impact on the world um and make the world a much better place from having those 42:45 communities that that were inspired by Eden Fractal to inspire others to continue to grow. Maybe Z fractal in a 42:50 year will have a thousand people and there'll be lots of people doing fractals from there or maybe Eric's nonprofits will be doing a bunch of like 42:57 fractals from there. So um yeah that's one way it's kind of a bit more hidden about a success that Eden Fractal has 43:03 had and also you know published videos and open open source software that can provide a reference material for all these people as well and articles. Um 43:09 but that being said we have to do a lot more too to be really successful over the time and do it with Eden Fractal 43:15 itself. um have Eden Fractal be like more undeniably successful that it's 43:21 like you know a lot of people joining Eden Fractal events and people knowing what Eden Fractal is people knowing what 43:26 factor governance is not just a handful of communities with 10 people or 20 people or 100 people but like you know 43:31 thousands of people millions of people around the world eventually so we've had some success uh but but 43:38 there's a lot more to do yes reminds me also of something we Tadas frames fractals as organisms whose success is the replication of their code, pointing to Optimism Fractal as a child of Eden Fractal. 43:45 talked about uh quite a long time ago about how 43:51 fractals are more are more like u organisms than say tools or or typical 44:00 organizations and that the ultimate success of 44:05 fractal maybe is replication of its code. uh by code I mean pro processes 44:14 mechanisms as well as software codes and apps and in that sense like 44:21 hidden fractal to have already a lot of success I 44:27 think I would count optimism fractal as like 44:34 to call replica in in a sense a child of Eden 44:42 Fractal uh because it copied a lot of its processes and 44:49 and the software is basically copied just copied over to AVM. 44:57 uh and then you have Zo Fractal and other smaller initiatives which are 45:03 aren't alive anymore but but still 45:08 I mean I think that's natural that's like with startups and that's especially true in the tower 45:16 space that most most initiatives fail. Uh 45:24 yeah that's that's another reason why Eden practice is very special because it it we were able to keep up for four 45:32 years and counting. 45:38 Yep. I agree. Another um I I just remembered I should have mentioned it 45:43 earlier too but uh Gudes joined us two weeks ago at the end and he shared he has he's operating two fractals right 45:49 now as well. I think you heard that. Um, so that's another example um of uh 45:54 somebody he he also did Aquadak back some years ago too. So he's been interested in practined 46:01 a lot of events over the years and uh that's another example of um you know I 46:06 guess the fractal seed and that he's spreading into into communities. He he's recently integrated fractals into me 46:13 over the past few months as well. So yeah, um and 46:21 on in the coming year and the coming years, we'll uh we'll plant more seeds 46:27 and ted our garden and um help more people integrate these facial decision-m 46:34 processes. So I'm very excited for those next steps. 46:48 All right, it's uh top of the hour, but I think uh I mean people might join for 46:54 the respect game shortly, but maybe it's best for us to just keep talking about stuff for I don't know, five or 10 minutes and see uh see whatever else we 47:02 want to discuss and keep on going the town hall a bit longer. Uh and then when somebody joins, we can play a respect 47:08 game with them if somebody joins. Um, I know Gudas said he was going to try to make it at 17 UTC. He had a meeting 47:13 earlier, but he's going to try to join. And, um, yeah, lately we've had at least 47:18 30 people joining most joining all the respect games. So, probably somebody will join, maybe a few people. So, maybe 47:23 we'll hang out. And, uh, if you want, I could share quickly some of the stuff I've been working on because you 47:29 mentioned that earlier. Or if you had any other comments about the Eden Fractal and the Eden Fractal as an animal or as a as a as a plant. I've 47:37 always thought you in more as a plant than an animal, but I guess either can work. It's kind of just a new kind of organism, but curious if uh 47:44 Yeah, I both can work, but it's I mean it's more like an organism. 47:49 Mhm. I would distinguish an organism from say a thing or 47:56 maybe even typical organiz organizations in in that 48:01 uh life itself for for an organism life itself is is purpose and reproduction is 48:09 itself a purpose. uh from that 48:15 I guess in in real world uh nation states have that as well because they 48:23 take care of uh life of people not just like achieving 48:30 stuff like typical companies. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good Gudasol joins, and Dan recaps the conversation on the anniversary and on fractals as living organisms. 48:37 point. Welcome Gutol or White Puma. We we've been talking about uh Eden 48:43 Fractal's four year anniversary and fractals as organisms kind of like uh 48:48 nations or I guess companies or communities how they how they grow and they replicate. And we 48:55 talked about uh the fractalss you started and have been hosting lately um with the easy community and with the 49:02 antelope community as well a couple times. And we're talking about uh we're reflecting on uh where Fractals's at 49:09 after four years and where the Fractal ecosystem is at over the past four years. Um and how different people and 49:14 different communities have um started and continued to 49:20 um interact with and implement fractal decision-m processes like the respect game and other fractal governance uh 49:27 protocols. So I appreciate you joining Gudasol. Uh I just I don't know if I 49:33 said the words happy anniversary at all, but today Gol happy anniversary for Eden Fractal. Really appreciate you both you guys being here and uh yeah, we're going 49:39 start with the respect game shortly, but we're just kind of wrapping up the town hall too. So good, if there's anything you want to share about Eden Fractal or 49:46 about the fractal ecosystem or the fractalss you're sharing during this Eden town hall, would love to hear it. As well as Sadas, if you have any other 49:51 thoughts you want to share before we transition to the respect game. 49:59 Yeah, it's great to be here. Thanks for the the warm intro. Um, just kind of sat 50:04 down. So, uh, I I kind of wish I heard the other part, but hopefully I can 50:09 watch it. But yeah, keep it rolling along and sure I'll be able to chime in and share. 50:17 Okay, sounds good. Well, um, yeah, I suppose with that we could probably just 50:24 wrap up the discussion for the town hall. Is there anything else you wanted to add about uh fractal organisms or 50:29 anything else we've discussed or should we uh start playing the respect game? Yeah, sure. I can chime in. Um I think Gudasol shares lessons from running his fractals — keeping the collective effort simple, memorable, and focused on a few clear seasonal goals. 50:36 like in my in my experience of doing the fractals, I've been very excited to take 50:43 steps and to sort of figure out like what that growth looks like. And I've 50:49 been playing recently with the idea of like what's the minimum that we can do 50:55 to make the effort collective. And so for my fractal, for the easy 51:01 fractal, we started it doing that each person showed up and they would create up to three deliverables and then the 51:08 next fractal they would share that uh and it wasn't directly related to the consensus process, but it gave us a 51:16 vector to understand, you know, were people actually doing stuff, is stuff actually getting done. 51:23 So I think that um after running that fractal we just did our 13th meeting 51:29 like around meeting 10 we kind of like switched to doing one and then we kind 51:34 of like stopped enforcing the idea of uh I'm not sure if let me make sure my 51:41 audio device Yeah. Okay. It's it's the right one. So like uh just trying to make it as simple as 51:47 possible. So we did like one and then like we kind of stopped doing it because it just became too much with time to 51:53 have the person like figure out what they said last time even though it's written down and then you know dig it up 51:59 and compare how they did this time. So uh the big lessons have been okay it's 52:06 got to be super simple. It's got to be things that people can remember. And like I I looking back at with the 52:14 proposals and with the seasons that have been on Eden Fractal, I've realized like, okay, we need to do something more 52:20 like that and create things that people don't have trouble remembering that's 52:25 more of a collective seasonal goal. Make it as simple as possible, like maybe one, two, or three things that that can 52:32 get done. Um, so that's kind of my reflections on running the easy fractal. 52:37 Um the other fractal kind of it's it really just turned into a round table more than than um I'm talking about the 52:44 Antelope developers fractal. It's more of just a round table of discussing te tech issues around antelope. Uh so yeah Gudasol describes the Longhorn Group vision of a fractal-based blockchain and argues funding is the lifeblood that keeps fractals alive. 52:52 that's that's my feeling and in terms of like where I see it growing as an organism it's really just super powerful 52:58 to empower communities. So with the Longhorn Group, my intention was to 53:03 start a blockchain that's based around fractals and we have bridge tokens and 53:08 create fractal games for each of the bridge tokens on our blockchain and then have a internal taxing mechanism that we 53:16 collect the revenue and then distribute part of that to the fractal themselves that represent that network. So I think 53:23 that if we did something like that combined with the growth aspect where we 53:29 create a simple process that each of these individual communities can then fork simple as possible. I think that 53:37 there's a real path to rapidly expand. But in my mind, like the the the 53:42 determining factor of whether or not it's going to be successful in the long term is like are people able to either 53:49 get paid or to get benefit that can be translated financially through showing 53:54 up at these fractals. So I believe if we can nail that, make it as simple collective goals that people don't 54:00 forget and then have a way that people can get paid or else can improve the way 54:05 that they can get paid. it'll be the the lifeblood that keeps fractals alive and keeps them growing for years to come. 54:13 Um, so yeah, I'll I'll wrap up there and I'm super grateful for you, Dan, for sticking with it and you definitely 54:19 inspire me to keep going with the fractals. I I truly believe in the process. I truly believe that it's going to keep growing and getting better. Um, 54:26 also great to see you to do and and all you've done to build the tools to to help us get there. So, back to you guys 54:33 and thanks for letting me share the at the end even though I'm a little over time. Dan builds on the funding theme, comparing liquidity flowing through fractals to blood in an organism. 54:38 You're very welcome. Thank you so much for sharing and um yeah, we have plenty of time to get to the respect game. So, 54:45 um I appreciate you taking the time to share it and if there anything else you 54:50 wanted to add on then feel free to as well because we can go a bit long with the town hall here. Um, thanks for the 54:56 kind words and also for the updates on the on your work with the easy community 55:02 and and the fractal uh games you've been hosting there and the antelope fractal roundtable and um yeah all the all the 55:12 points you brought up the the point about funding is really important that's actually something that Tadas and I hadn't talked about here we talked about 55:17 a lot over the years at eat and fractal uh but yeah like you said like funding being the lifeblood that combined with 55:23 like a simple uh say collective goal or or a few collective goals. Um you know like Toss 55:32 and I were just talking about organisms as uh or fractals as organisms and 55:37 organisms have blood like they have or animals have blood and then um and then 55:45 uh plants have liquidity you know that flows through them to to provide that life and provide those incentives. So, I 55:52 agree that's a big that's a big thing to to solve for to help fractals grow over 55:58 the long term um and enable sort of like a flywheel or like a growth cycle. And 56:04 uh yeah, I enjoyed learning about what you've been doing with the easy community. I was reading through the website uh this past week and appreciate 56:09 you sharing the invite and and and the kind welcome there. So, I'm grateful for 56:14 uh I'm grateful for you continuing to to believe in and to implement the practice 56:19 and to share fractal governance processes with the communities that you're involved with. I think that's awesome. And also experiment uh with 56:26 different ways like I know you have some very interesting tokconomics that that you're experimenting with there. Um and 56:32 to share it in in different ways and to experiment all and and also to share your learnings with us too. Um so thank 56:38 you very much for that good soul. I'm looking forward to collaborating with you uh going forward with Fractals and I also believe that we'll grow much more 56:44 together in the coming years uh here here and uh then I see Tas's hands up one 56:51 thing I maybe mentioned too is um that might be interesting for you I don't know uh I don't know if you remember Albido um but Tadas is working on this 56:58 albido white paper a long time ago about how a blockchain could um work with like 57:04 so was a blockchain with a liquid token could work with a fractal community in some Okay. Um, Tas hasn't been working 57:11 on the albido that much lately compared to other projects, but I don't know if you wanted to mention that. And yeah, Tadas, I'm curious whatever thoughts you 57:17 had in your mind as you're raising your hand. Yeah. I just wanted to ask if you good Tadas introduces Synchronous Respect and gives a retrospective, questioning whether the process needs to be synchronous versus the original respect-trees idea. 57:23 solo are familiar with synchronous respect that we played in 57:29 Eden Practal last season. uh I created we tried it as a way to 57:38 it's a mechanism to to basically raise issues as a community and uh determine 57:45 their prior priorities and in a way that's not not strictly 57:51 coupled to respecting but where it can inform respecting. 57:58 Uh yeah, I'm familiar with I remember like the proposal system. I remember there was 58:04 something maybe on snapshot for a while. Yes. Uh so I I've seen several iterations. I 58:10 know like the last year or two I've kind of not been at very many meetings so I probably missed what you're talking 58:15 about but yeah I'm love to hear more. Yeah. just mentioning it in 58:24 as as a as an experiment relevant to to 58:29 kind of in the same direction that you're looking into like how to raise collective goals and then how to get 58:36 community more focus uh to to cooperate uh that I mean that's that was one of 58:44 the purposes of that idea uh now coming back to it I'm I'm not sure I would do 58:51 that again again in the same format as we did. Uh we already talked with them 58:58 about some improvement. Uh so I'm not claiming it's it's perfect 59:05 solution. I I far from it but it's just something relevant experiment to to 59:10 mention. Yep. I agree and I just shared the links 59:16 to the article at the wrote about SRT which is sync tree one I think it was 59:22 v1.1 I don't know if you had a more recent article about that to do feel free to share if you had a more recent article with because we went through a 59:28 few different versions uh and then I also shared um Tadas created this um 59:33 dashboard uh SRTV1 cumulative report um which shows like how we voted over the 59:39 past couple uh or or earlier this year basically we did this for about six events earlier this year or four events 59:44 And then I also shared the telegram chat or topic in the Eden factor group where we had been you know discussing all this 59:50 stuff so you can check it out there. And then uh Gudas asked what would you change optimize s you want to share more 59:57 details about that? Yeah. So I don't have uh the next 1:00:03 version like I have ideas some ideas about what I would change but I don't have like clarity yet about what needs 1:00:11 to change like I could maybe provide some retrospective about our experience 1:00:18 with it. uh for one I would question if it needs to be 1:00:24 synchronous at all. Synchronous and synchronous respect. It means that community is 1:00:31 uh that all people in community are proposing topics and issues to walk vote 1:00:38 on at the same time and they then vote on issues to prioritize at the same 1:00:44 time. So it's synchronous because of divided into these two stages whereas 1:00:52 original respect idea would allow to create new nodes in the tree new issues 1:00:57 at any time and vote on issues at any time and yeah I would question if 1:01:06 there is no drawback to this synchronicity anyway. Yeah, it looks Gudasol reflects through his own use case, where contributors who miss a meeting miss out on getting paid, and raises open problems to solve. 1:01:12 really good. Um, and I've definitely like put a lot of thought into that as well, like the async aspect. Uh but more 1:01:19 from like the the perspective with my particular use case of like 1:01:25 having every two weeks we have meetings and sometimes there's people who kind of 1:01:31 do a lot of work for easy and if they can't make the meeting like one of our main guys couldn't make the meeting this 1:01:37 week uh they kind of miss out on on all the getting paidness. So not not the 1:01:44 exact same use case but also like questioning the idea of what how much 1:01:49 synchronous versus asynchronous can we do and you know the other issue I've been or the other thing I haven't solved 1:01:56 is like okay what if people want to to present their contributions ahead of 1:02:01 time like it's pretty easy to have a format and people suggest it but they're not there at the meeting to kind of 1:02:07 argue for themselves and also if there's any sort of like tiebreaker within consent 1:02:12 you know, do do I as the host act as their champion or or what's that look like? And I think that it's not a 1:02:19 difficult problem to solve, but I just haven't solved it. So, I thought I was I'd bring it up. But I love the I'm 1:02:25 looking at the website now. It looks really cool. I'm not sure what the numbers mean. Uh, but the the SRT looks 1:02:32 legit. Just glancing. 1:02:37 Yeah, just a summary of results. Uh yeah and 1:02:45 regarding synchronous aspect as well like how do we take into account synchronous 1:02:52 contributions when people cannot participate that's yeah that's a larger topic and yeah I mentioned last meeting 1:03:00 that I have some ideas with regards to thermal how it could solve that 1:03:05 also he has some ideas so I think that's something that we could 1:03:10 uh brainstorm on together in future meeting. 1:03:18 Yep, I agree. Um 1:03:24 yeah, so I I suppose we should probably start playing the respect game pretty soon, but maybe I'll just uh just share a couple quick comments here um that 1:03:31 just inspired me. So uh just I suppose two extra resources that I can share is Dan explains the SRT v1 report numbers and his Evolving Respect Trees vision for voting on priorities and contributions with respect tokens. 1:03:38 one just to just provide a little bit of visual clarity for that um SRT v1 1:03:45 report. Uh you're wondering the numbers good. So these are like the numbers of votes from Eden fractal respect. This 1:03:52 was epoch two respect that people earn from playing respect games and fractal and this was um well tas uh wrote more 1:03:59 details I think about the way it's formed like he weighted it where most recent events had a 1.0 weight whereas 1:04:05 there was like a halflife basically uh exponential decay where older events had less weight but uh 1:04:12 basically it was the total amount of votes that was split up in a weighted voting poll and snapshot. So there was a 1:04:19 snapshot poll with different where anybody could propose topics in the telegram group or this did both topic 1:04:24 proposals people wanted to discuss as well as contribution requests and so this was like things that people were requesting for contributions and then 1:04:30 people would vote on it with their respect tokens. Uh and then it shows like the cumulative scores. Um so 1:04:36 hopefully that provides a little bit of an overview there. And then um yeah obviously we can go into more detail 1:04:41 about it later. And then maybe two other things I'll just briefly mention is one this goes back to a much earlier idea 1:04:47 that uh Tadas originally uh shared and then I'm sure you've heard about Google we probably talked about it but there's 1:04:52 this idea of respect trees we have an article optimisticio respect trees still got to migrate it since we're not really 1:04:57 doing optimistics work so much lately but um this has like a little bit more details about this process from some 1:05:04 videos when it was originally introduced at Eden Bractal back at the Eden Battle 60th event and optimism fractal event so 1:05:10 that has some more uh content there um that's related to uh respect trees and 1:05:15 yeah I think that this respect trees idea like I like the name uh and I think that this idea of voting on things that 1:05:22 people want to get done uh and then also voting on contributions that's something that can help with both forming those 1:05:27 priorities like you were discussing like you mentioned if there's one or two or three priorities that people want to do 1:05:32 um then one way you could do that is by voting on like the priorities and it could be contribution requests or or 1:05:39 word it differently but you could vote that and use allow people to vote their respect tokens um on those and then do a 1:05:45 weighted voting poll where they can spread out, you know, half my voting power to this one and maybe 10% of my voting power to this topic or whatever 1:05:50 or this kind of priority. Uh and then you could also have something where you also vote on contributions themselves 1:05:57 outside of the respect game. So people with respect tokens could vote on people who contributed you know a week ago but 1:06:03 they weren't able to join the respect game and they could vote on well who contributed to you know the Eden rectal intent document or community agreement 1:06:09 or uh the easy um you know website or or whatever your specific contributions or priorities might be. So I think that 1:06:16 could provide a way that you can have like a quantifiable uh measurement that is uh created and 1:06:22 rooted in in respect and fractal governance but allows people to get uh respect and also funding um while not 1:06:31 joining the events. Um I also wrote an article after we did this experiment last season called evolving respect 1:06:38 trees with some of my visions about how that could work and how it could be like organized into projects and tasks and also work with GitHub and stuff like 1:06:43 that. Uh, so I'd be happy to share that too if you'd like to see that. I was trying to find the link, but I I 1:06:49 couldn't find it, but I can find it later and then share it with you if you're interested. Yeah, if you drop fill in the chat, I'd love to. Gudasol and Dan discuss cross-pollination between the easy and Antelope communities and Eden Fractal. 1:06:55 Okay. And you also you're welcome to share stuff in our group too in the easy group um anytime like just for you know 1:07:03 post in your group and forward to our group because we do have people that are 1:07:08 like really into antelope blockchains but they don't know a lot about kind of 1:07:14 the the fractal stuff. So I think that the people who've been to the meetings, 1:07:20 they enjoy the meeting and the process and it's a big, you know, audience for crosspollination here and for, you know, 1:07:28 testing out your things, testing out our things and growing together. Mhm. 1:07:34 Well, yeah, thank you for the invite um and for letting us know and yeah, I'll 1:07:39 be happy to post uh more in the the easy group and the anal uh um round table 1:07:46 group going forward too. Um I shared a couple introductory messages that we look forward to posting more and um and 1:07:52 interacting more with those communities. uh especially also as we have more time to think about these because all these 1:07:59 as you might be able to tell or just like they're all works in progress. So especially once we get them more done 1:08:05 and we have like a good system then we can be like hey here's a great system that you can try but for the time being 1:08:10 it's kind of like hey here's a bunch of links that there's something there if you want to really discover it but it's going to it's going to take work. So um 1:08:17 also kind of focused on just like figuring out how to set this up in the best way but I think we're making pretty good progress for it. And of course, 1:08:22 anybody from um the Antelopee community or the easy community is also welcome to join Eden Fractal events in the Eden Telegram group and uh share any thoughts 1:08:29 or help design or uh ask any questions and stuff like that. And we'll try to do our best to uh help the uh fractals that 1:08:37 you're uh growing and working with um to to succeed and to thrive and and to take 1:08:44 all the stuff that we're, you know, learning here to be able to use it for your own uh benefit. uh 1:08:51 you know in so far as much as much as I can help you. Dan wraps up the town hall and thanks Tadas and Gudasol before transitioning to the respect game. 1:08:57 Okay, cool. Well, thumbs up. Uh with that, we're 20 minutes into the um the 1:09:02 top of the hour, so I think it's probably good time to wrap up the town hall and transition to the Eden Fractal 1:09:08 Respect game. So once again, thanks so much uh to Doss and Gudasol for sharing 1:09:14 um for helping to celebrate this Eden back to 4 year anniversary and also uh sharing all the great stuff you're 1:09:20 working on, all the great conversation.